At our recent ‘Fells & Dales’ meeting of BACP-accredited counsellors in Cumbria/North Lancs., we discussed two papers on the theme of ‘Shame’ in therapy. We explored the differences between shame and guilt, toxic shame and inappropriate guilt, relating examples from our own personal experience. It was acknowledged just how pervasive shame can be, and how important for it not be overlooked or avoided, without adding further to the shame already being felt. Coming for counselling itself can feel quite shameful! We also thought about the therapist’s own sense of shame, prompted by what Brian Thorne calls ‘the original sin’ of failing to be the person we have it in us to be.